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		<title>By: Discountbuyonline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Discountbuyonline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting how technology changes things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting how technology changes things.</p>
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		<title>By: heikephilp</title>
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		<dc:creator>heikephilp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 15:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I ask again, ChinaMike, to be able to talk to you via Skype?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rgds Heike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I ask again, ChinaMike, to be able to talk to you via Skype?</p>
<p>Rgds Heike</p>
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		<title>By: heikephilp</title>
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		<dc:creator>heikephilp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi ChinaMike,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I appreciate that you don&#039;t want to discuss this in public. May I ask you to contact me via Skype? I would value it very much to talk to you. (ID letstalkonline)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rgds Heike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi ChinaMike,</p>
<p>I appreciate that you don&#39;t want to discuss this in public. May I ask you to contact me via Skype? I would value it very much to talk to you. (ID letstalkonline)</p>
<p>Rgds Heike</p>
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		<title>By: chinamike</title>
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		<dc:creator>chinamike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really. Let it suffice to say that I&#039;m there but I am invisible to anyone not on the forum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really. Let it suffice to say that I&#39;m there but I am invisible to anyone not on the forum.</p>
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		<title>By: heikephilp</title>
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		<dc:creator>heikephilp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi ChinaMike,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t understand. Can you explain?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Heike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi ChinaMike,</p>
<p>I don&#39;t understand. Can you explain?</p>
<p>Heike</p>
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		<title>By: Yasemin (amicamia)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yasemin (amicamia)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quote: Kirsten Winkler wrote:&lt;br&gt;&quot;What I do think though is that any price is too high if the product does not match the expectations of the market you are targeting.&lt;br&gt;From what I am reading in the Myngle certification course content you teach about 75% Myngle platform related topics like how to use Dimdim, chat etc or market yourself on the platform and the rest will be about methodology for 1o1 and group lessons.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am not sure if teachers see a true benefit in taking this paid course for the topics above. I am sure they will take for another reason, to stay in the game but this is a negative approach, like a pay for play scheme.&quot;&lt;br&gt;Totally,I agree with you dear Kirsten.That is what I was thinking...I mean,why should I take a paid course in order to learn how to use this ..that..although I know them very well ?&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s ok for the newbies;useful for them if from now on myngle won&#039;t be offering any consulting sessions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quote: Kirsten Winkler wrote:<br />&#8220;What I do think though is that any price is too high if the product does not match the expectations of the market you are targeting.<br />From what I am reading in the Myngle certification course content you teach about 75% Myngle platform related topics like how to use Dimdim, chat etc or market yourself on the platform and the rest will be about methodology for 1o1 and group lessons.</p>
<p>I am not sure if teachers see a true benefit in taking this paid course for the topics above. I am sure they will take for another reason, to stay in the game but this is a negative approach, like a pay for play scheme.&#8221;<br />Totally,I agree with you dear Kirsten.That is what I was thinking&#8230;I mean,why should I take a paid course in order to learn how to use this ..that..although I know them very well ?<br />It&#39;s ok for the newbies;useful for them if from now on myngle won&#39;t be offering any consulting sessions.</p>
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		<title>By: stivibi</title>
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		<dc:creator>stivibi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you again for the feedback.  Good food for thought, as we learn from this process and we plan Teacher Training 2.0.   We are gathering a lot of information from our teachers, including surveys, teacher gatherings, direct contact, and even in the forum.  I think we have taken a step in the right direction:  teachers, if they need to, will have an opportunity to learn more and become better teachers.  Myngle will benefit as a consequence of having better teachers on its premises.  As I have said before, teachers and Myngle are joined at the hip.  We hope to continue to collaborate for the benefit of both.  I don&#039;t think our growth is mutually exclusive, in fact, it&#039;s mutually beneficial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you again for the feedback.  Good food for thought, as we learn from this process and we plan Teacher Training 2.0.   We are gathering a lot of information from our teachers, including surveys, teacher gatherings, direct contact, and even in the forum.  I think we have taken a step in the right direction:  teachers, if they need to, will have an opportunity to learn more and become better teachers.  Myngle will benefit as a consequence of having better teachers on its premises.  As I have said before, teachers and Myngle are joined at the hip.  We hope to continue to collaborate for the benefit of both.  I don&#39;t think our growth is mutually exclusive, in fact, it&#39;s mutually beneficial.</p>
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		<title>By: chinamike</title>
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		<dc:creator>chinamike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will need the skills of Sherlock Holmes to find me on Myngle. I&#039;m there, just a bit hidden. I&#039;m neither a one nor a zero. Think of me as 0.5</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will need the skills of Sherlock Holmes to find me on Myngle. I&#39;m there, just a bit hidden. I&#39;m neither a one nor a zero. Think of me as 0.5</p>
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		<title>By: KirstenWinkler</title>
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		<dc:creator>KirstenWinkler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Heike,&lt;br&gt;yes, I know. I still owe you my review of the course :). But let me give you some thoughts on pricing and expectations here.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First of all I agree that a good course deserves a pricing in general. And I don&#039;t think that 60 Euro for a certification are too much.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What I do think though is that any price is too high if the product does not match the expectations of the market you are targeting.&lt;br&gt;From what I am reading in the Myngle certification course content you teach about 75% Myngle platform related topics like how to use Dimdim, chat etc or market yourself on the platform and the rest will be about methodology for 1o1 and group lessons.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am not sure if teachers see a true benefit in taking this paid course for the topics above. I am sure they will take for another reason, to stay in the game but this is a negative approach, like a pay for play scheme.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What you should do is to go in the trenches, e.g. the forum of Myngle and explain to the teachers what Lancelot is offering them and, maybe more importantly, listen to what the teachers want. I think you could explain them the benefits much better.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The free introduction sessions are already a good beginning but teachers behave different in their &quot;natural environment&quot; than in a classroom ;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Heike,<br />yes, I know. I still owe you my review of the course <img src='http://www.kirstenwinkler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . But let me give you some thoughts on pricing and expectations here.</p>
<p>First of all I agree that a good course deserves a pricing in general. And I don&#39;t think that 60 Euro for a certification are too much.</p>
<p>What I do think though is that any price is too high if the product does not match the expectations of the market you are targeting.<br />From what I am reading in the Myngle certification course content you teach about 75% Myngle platform related topics like how to use Dimdim, chat etc or market yourself on the platform and the rest will be about methodology for 1o1 and group lessons.</p>
<p>I am not sure if teachers see a true benefit in taking this paid course for the topics above. I am sure they will take for another reason, to stay in the game but this is a negative approach, like a pay for play scheme.</p>
<p>What you should do is to go in the trenches, e.g. the forum of Myngle and explain to the teachers what Lancelot is offering them and, maybe more importantly, listen to what the teachers want. I think you could explain them the benefits much better.</p>
<p>The free introduction sessions are already a good beginning but teachers behave different in their &#8220;natural environment&#8221; than in a classroom <img src='http://www.kirstenwinkler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: KirstenWinkler</title>
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		<dc:creator>KirstenWinkler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Stefan,&lt;br&gt;thank you for joining the conversation here. Hope to see you more often on this blog from now on :).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The thing is, we have a Steve Jobs situation here. When the iPad came out most about everyone, even the fanboys and girls, were disappointed. Only some hardcore guys said: &quot;You don&#039;t understand it. Steve gives you what you need, not what you want.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Myngle certification is basically the same. You know what Myngle wants to achieve with it and hence you shaped the course based on your roadmap. But most teachers on the forum were expecting something different. Something without a price tag and something more basic. There were some great discussions going a couple of months ago but Myngle did not listen, for whatever reason.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So this certification serves first the need of Myngle for qualified and even more important officially certified teachers which is understandable from the companies point of view.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What teachers don&#039;t understand and what makes them suspicious is if you start trying to sell this to them as being good for them in the first place. If you would say this certification is to lift the profile of the Myngle brand and if the teachers want to benefit from this by getting certified and working with Myngle it would look different, right?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And if Hala and Soaad would have developed a Myngle training based on their knowledge of the Lancelot course you could offer this certification for free. In the end it&#039;s not rocket science ;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Stefan,<br />thank you for joining the conversation here. Hope to see you more often on this blog from now on <img src='http://www.kirstenwinkler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>The thing is, we have a Steve Jobs situation here. When the iPad came out most about everyone, even the fanboys and girls, were disappointed. Only some hardcore guys said: &#8220;You don&#39;t understand it. Steve gives you what you need, not what you want.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Myngle certification is basically the same. You know what Myngle wants to achieve with it and hence you shaped the course based on your roadmap. But most teachers on the forum were expecting something different. Something without a price tag and something more basic. There were some great discussions going a couple of months ago but Myngle did not listen, for whatever reason.</p>
<p>So this certification serves first the need of Myngle for qualified and even more important officially certified teachers which is understandable from the companies point of view.</p>
<p>What teachers don&#39;t understand and what makes them suspicious is if you start trying to sell this to them as being good for them in the first place. If you would say this certification is to lift the profile of the Myngle brand and if the teachers want to benefit from this by getting certified and working with Myngle it would look different, right?</p>
<p>And if Hala and Soaad would have developed a Myngle training based on their knowledge of the Lancelot course you could offer this certification for free. In the end it&#39;s not rocket science <img src='http://www.kirstenwinkler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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